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Stanley
09-13-2004, 09:22 AM
Europe +1.5pts to beat U.S.A. Evens @ Bet365 [3pts]
"There is no "I" in "Europe", but there is in "America"" and "The Americans play like a side, the Europeans play like a team" may be well-worn clichés, but they do highlight why the European team consistently plays above itself in this event. On paper, the American team again have the better players, but the same was true in 2002 when it was forecast to be the most lopsided match since 1981. It was, but in Europe's favour!

In the last 20 years, the European team has won five, lost three and drawn one Ryder Cup, while there have been four matches played on American soil where each team has won twice with the Europeans never losing by more than a single point. Combine that with a European Ryder Cup team that has never played as much on the PGA Tour or performed, collectively, as well in the U.S. Open - Oak Hill is reported to be setup along U.S. Open guidelines - and this European team looks better-prepared than any previous team to win on American soil. Even the GB&I Walker Cup team has won the last three Walker Cups, including a 15-9 defeat of the American side at Sea Island, Georgia in 2001.

I expect the European team will win this match, but history suggests it is close when the Americans play on home soil. So a "safe" play of a +1.5pts handicap seems the best solution. After all, with a +1.5pts handicap, Europe would be the winner in nine out out of the last ten Ryder Cups and in all five matches in the United States. Not bad for evens!

Nigel Tufnel
09-16-2004, 11:06 AM
Booooo....its obvious that you're a homer, Stanley!! LOL

Actually, if pinnacle offered points, I'd take the Euros +1.5 in a heartbeat. I'm not even sure if I'm playing this...this is one sporting event where action isn't even needed to enjoy it. I remember the last Ryder Cup...I woke up Sunday morning at my in laws house....hung over from the night before....and the excitement of that final day...with Azinger chipping in on 18 out of the sand and Furyk missing by a hair from the same place in the sand....I was so worked up, I threw up.

One thing I will say....in years past, the American roster has looked so much stronger than the Euros...this year, I think the teams are very evenly matched. Maybe that's because I follow the European Tour closer now. I don't know. But this is going to dead even, IMHO. The only edge I give to the American team is playing at home. But hell, the entire European team plays in the US, too. That's why the Euros always have a big advantage when playing in Europe. Europeans play in the US WAY, WAY more than Americans play in Europe.

Should be a good one...GL!!:thumbs:

Horatio
09-17-2004, 08:18 AM
Cup time...from news reports...

"Others say the European team has done well in this competition because a number of its players are members of the PGA Tour and are completely comfortable playing here on the road. The World Golf Championships have also brought European Tour regulars to the United States in recent years, adding to their comfort level. In fact, many of the players from both teams are friends.

The facts point to other, more quantifiable reasons for European success.

Since 1985, Europe has won 43 points in the best-ball to the Americans' 29.

Perhaps most significant of all, the Europeans have been especially effective in winning matches that have gone the full 18 holes, with a 36-19 advantage, a clear indication of their tenacity in this sort of format."

GL should be a good one!:thumbs:

ceobroker
09-17-2004, 12:15 PM
Boy's, I don't wager on golf, but I play and watch a lot of it, and the US sucks at Ryder Cup formats... Looks like the only LOCK of the weekend was putting the house not on the Euro's...

Horatio
09-18-2004, 09:19 AM
I listened to Stanley....it is not over yet, but it is over...:thx: