Browns organization, classless

[Steel]

Now granted he has not been worth his first pick status but to not let him practice with the team and to ask him to leave when he shows up is not right at all. Couch has been trying to work out with the Browns but they have asked him to stay away because they are trying to trade him. The organization has never shown me much class but this is a crappy way to treat a former player. Why would anyone want to play for the Browns? Its not like Cleveland is on everyones list to live let alone play a Professional sport. What a classless organization and this will come back to haunt them in later years. I am a Steeler fan so you can only imagine what I think of the Browns. LOL .... GL

[DWD14]

How can they expect to trade a player if they do not let him practice. Teams will figure that the guy hasnt been on the field in a while and did not work out so he is out of shape and they will not want him. They should let him work out and practice so if a team wants him in a trade then they will see what he can do during practice. No team wants a player that hasnt worked out in a long time and hasnt seen the field in forever. If yuo want value for a player, having him sit on the side doesnt help you get anything for him. My guess is he will go to some team for practically nothing in return just because he is now a risk to take with such a layoff.

[Steel]

He is working out at home, he is just not able to work out on the field with the other players. This is more of a timing issue but he will have different receivers in the coming year. The organization is showing its class and this will cost them dearly when trying to sign free agents. Why would anyone want to be treated like this. Oh ya, MONEY... I forgot. GL

steel....for some reason I've NEVER liked anything to do with the Browns......wonder why??

p.s.....you lose that cooler??

[Steel]

Yes me also Dead. No I have not lost that cooler. The cooler will go out this week if not tomorrow. I have had one disaster after another. The stuff is sitting here ready to go I just need to get some dry ice to make sure it makes it all the way there. I have your address so be looking for it as it will be going out tomorrow or the next day. I am on the Grand Jury here and it is keeping me way to busy. My landscape business has also blown up so I am knee deep in work. I need to find some more help with my business as I am falling further further behind. My son also graduated from college, with honors I might add, so I have been way deep into this. Little League is ending tonight so I will get some of my life back. Dry ice is not the easiest thing to find where I live. My better half is going to get the ice today so it should be on its way today or tomorrow. I know it took you a while to get me the cooler but this is ridiculious how long it is taking me to send it back. It will be worth the wait that I can promise you. Don't stay away from the boards for so long. Your humor and insight is truely missed around here. As you can see we have some clowns on board who are ruining the board. Having 2 names shows you some of the problems we have had. I am hoping they make a list of the people with 2 different names because that could help sort out some of the trash. The person Yomonte called out has not been seen since. That is way to funny and it shows that the guilt runs deep. Keep in touch and be watching your work mail. It will be well worth the weight. Drop me an email when you have the time and thanks for your Little League input. Congrates also on a great season. I am glad that someone is having a good year. Take care Bro..

as info.....I am going into the hospital Thursday for back surgery.....I know you are no stranger to surgeries......been babying a lumbar problem mostly through visits to an accupuncturist for 14 years and finally she sent me to a surgeon......multiple massive disc herniations L4/L5/S1 with L5 being collapsed.....it is actually sitting on my sacrum right now......been in utter agony for a month now.....saw the surgeon last wednesday and he squeezed me in for surgery within a week....it has been a horrible last month for me and my 43 year old back.....dancing around at all those dead shows over the years is taking its toll......i still look forward to your package and hope next year is a much better LL year......you know I have been coaching for 7 years now....since my son was in t-ball.....I have had numerous occasions to get an earful from some misguided parent and have had to bite my lip many times.....but the last 3 years since my son has been playing in the majors it is all very different....parents seem to have a better understanding of how playing time is dished out and are more positive.....i forget if it was you or someone else but they were right on when they said many parents are trying to relive thier youth throught their own children....its those people that need to have a nice sock in the fucking jaw to wake them up and look at what is best for the kid.....not their ego.....i'm done!!

[Steel]

Cooler is gone Dead. Sorry to hear about your back trouble. I can only hope that you get over it fast and that everything goes well. I have heard terrible stories about back surgery so I wish the best. Your way to young to have that much trouble. Although I am only 40 and I feel a little on the old side. God Speed my friend. I look forward to hearing from you and if you need a vacation you can always come to Cali. Not sure a bad back would be good for you but I am sure I could make you enjoy part of your stay. The green goddess will help that for sure. GL and God Speed.

[coreyschucky]

ESPN.com news services

CLEVELAND -- The Browns finally brought an end to the Tim Couch saga Wednesday by releasing the former No. 1 overall draft pick a month before training camp opens.




Couch has been told to stay away from Browns headquarters until the team work out a trade with the Green Bay Packers or another team. Without a place to work out to prepare for the season, Couch filed a grievance through the NFL Players Association.


Couch was the franchise's first selection as an expansion team in 1999, but his time with the Browns was marked by injuries, losing seasons and controversy.


Browns spokesman Todd Stewart told The Associated Press that the team would not have any comment Wednesday. Coach Butch Davis will address the media when the Browns complete their quarterback school Thursday.


Couch was unavailable for comment.


A few weeks ago, Davis said he had no plans to cut 26-year-old Couch, who lost his starting job when the club signed free agent Jeff Garcia in March.


Couch's $7.6 million salary for 2004 made it impossible for the Browns to keep him as a backup, however. Davis, who once predicted Couch would lead Cleveland to the Super Bowl, had been reluctant to release the quarterback, fearing he might sign with AFC North rival Baltimore.


However, the Ravens recently signed Kordell Stewart as a backup for Kyle Boller.


Couch could soon land with another team. His agent, Tom Condon, has had ongoing talks for the past two months with the Packers about Couch joining them to be Brett Favre's backup.


Couch has passed for 11,131 yards and 64 touchdowns in 59 starts since the Browns tabbed the former Kentucky star as the first overall selection in 1999.


After a 2003 season in which Couch lost his starting job to Kelly Holcomb in training camp, won it back and lost it again, his future with the Browns became uncertain.


The club talked with Couch about restructuring his contract -- $15.6 million for 2004 and 2005 -- but when he refused to take a nearly 60 percent pay cut, the Browns decided to go after Garcia, a three-time Pro Bowler with San Francisco.


Before Garcia signed, Couch had been working out at the team's training facility in Berea, Ohio. Soon after, the Browns told Couch he was no longer welcome.


The Browns even cleaned out Couch's locker and removed his nameplate for their minicamp although he was still on their roster.


Couch had his best season in 2002, when he threw a career-high 18 TDs in 14 games while leading the Browns to the playoffs for the first time since 1994.


However, that season was marked by an ugly incident in a home game against Baltimore when some Browns fans cheered as Couch was helped off the field with a concussion.


Couch tearfully and profanely lashed out at fans after the game.


"If fans don't like the way I'm playing or the way we're playing, they have a right to boo us or boo me," he said. "But to cheer when I got hurt, that's a whole other level with me. I don't agree with that at all."


Last season, Couch lost his job to Holcomb but got it back when Holcomb got hurt and then struggled.


Couch eventually started eight games, playing behind an offensive line ravaged by injuries. He couldn't spark the Browns, who lost five of their final six games and finished 5-11.


The Browns went a combined 5-27 in Couch's first two seasons under coach Chris Palmer, who was fired after the 2000 season and replaced by Davis.


Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.