Thursday Discussion

[Angelus]

Well, I went 1-2 today. That'll teach me to add-on...

So, what's on the docket tomorrow? Off-hand, there isn't too much I like. Maybe Ottawa -1.5 +115. Atlanta +125 should be considered. How about Detroit -131?

San Jose -218 is a lot of juice, but I don't think there's a chance in hell they lose this one at home after the loss to the Jackets.

Thoughts?

[FlyersFan]

already posted thoughts in my thread......i love 1 game and i'm only playing that one....SAN is back of a road trip, so be careful (and PHX is hot)...bad spot to play on a team is in that SAN spot tonight...won't touch NAS as they are home off a roadie and playing like shit.....depending on who is in net...might look at the over if i were playing that one....not too crazy about a lot tonight....

[FlyersFan]

if Abeshchir is in net tomorrow (and it will be kolzig since it was johnson tonight)...i might look at the over........just not a lot jumps out....gonna ride my POD tomorrow and see what happens...

GL to everyone!

[LeWiS3]

Hi FF,

It's the HUET MANIA here in Montreal...

6 shutoots in last 18 starts....


All the news paper talk about Huet...

His new name here is CritoWall Huet...
They play the French National amptom 2 or 3 times per game....(i don't know how to write this word...sorry for my english)

He is the number one goalie for the rest of the season...

Aebisher will probably have 1 or 2 start maximum until the end of the year......(when there will be 2 games in 24 hours)


If Gainey put Aebisher in the net....Gainey will have a lot of problems with medias and fans....


It's Huet Mania in Montreal!!!

[Half-Man Half-Amazin]

sup fellas... Im actually not liking thursdays' card.....
I give the lean towards ottawa but -250 is a lot unlike the -240 Buffalo was today, they were playing a terrible boston team.. Ottawa is playing east leading NYR, so dont really know. Might play the NYR +1 1/2 just because its at -130 but might stay away.
Only others that im leaning towards are TB and NJ at home, Det is hot but Nash is unbeaten at home since Det beat them and thats over a month ago. Id lean towards Nash. Also like Buf/NJ under 6. Any thoughts on my thoughts lol??

[FlyersFan]

Lew- that is pretty cool...nice to see MON fans and team back in it....hockey needs teams like BOS, MON, CHI to be good...lot of history in those cities.....

on a side note......really curious as to why i am not seeing a lot of other people discussing the NYR schedule....it is brutal....5 games in 7 nights....3I4, BB...AND your 5th game in 7 nights lands you IN OTT.....just a horrible spot for the NYR.....yet i see very few who like OTT and 1/2 is thinking of playing the NYR......i just love OTT....i think that you have to cap a game a lot of different ways...if you just look at it and say, well OTT has 2 guys hurt and the NYR are good, so it should be close, you are going to get smoked betting the NHL in the long run. I heard it best from Melrose 2 years back..he siad that scheduling plays as much a part in who wins on any night as anything......i completely agree....you have to look at the whole picture with a game....i am not discounting the OTT injuries, but there is no bigger factor in this game than the NYR schedule....just brutal.....sure they would tell you the same thing.....hockey isn't like baseball where you play grab ass for 99 percent of the game standing at your position or sitting in the dugout....hockey is contact, skating, etc....physicality...i dunno..i think it is a great spot for OTT

[flmmkrz]

not the easiest of cards for betters on thursday


montreal should school washington. Like the under in that one too, caps blew there load today shouldn't have much in the tank against huet. Montreal 4-1 type game.

Rangers ottawa I lean rangers. Ottawas thin as hell right now on the back end and emery without all those studs back there is prone to being exposed as the average goalie he is. Over written all over it too, jagr cherry picking, sens firing back.

Jersey over Buffalo. Both teams struggling, barely getting by boston tonight doesnt instill much confidence for me. Buffs coasting, jersey needs the wins.

atl tampa, im leaning atl. Both need to win. Light arent an overly good home team. Leaning towards the better tender. For some reason I see the under here. Both like to score but both wanna win so freakin bad they'll be clutchin the sticks and hustlin ass on d.

Detroit nash leaning det. Nash is in coast mode I dont believe they'll win again till they're playin a team thats bending over backwards to give em a game.

LA edm, leaning LA. Roloson sucks. Backs up against the wall for LA, guessin the come out swingin tonight.

Lastly leaning phoenix. Just seems like one of those games the sharks would think is a gimme. Coyotes playin well and would love to stick it to the sharks

Havent decided to sure what my plays are gonna be but montreal most likely in a parlay with something. Jersey maybe. Will see.

[Angelus]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Lew- that is pretty cool...nice to see MON fans and team back in it....hockey needs teams like BOS, MON, CHI to be good...lot of history in those cities.....

on a side note......really curious as to why i am not seeing a lot of other people discussing the NYR schedule....it is brutal....5 games in 7 nights....3I4, BB...AND your 5th game in 7 nights lands you IN OTT.....just a horrible spot for the NYR.....yet i see very few who like OTT and 1/2 is thinking of playing the NYR......i just love OTT....i think that you have to cap a game a lot of different ways...if you just look at it and say, well OTT has 2 guys hurt and the NYR are good, so it should be close, you are going to get smoked betting the NHL in the long run. I heard it best from Melrose 2 years back..he siad that scheduling plays as much a part in who wins on any night as anything......i completely agree....you have to look at the whole picture with a game....i am not discounting the OTT injuries, but there is no bigger factor in this game than the NYR schedule....just brutal.....sure they would tell you the same thing.....hockey isn't like baseball where you play grab ass for 99 percent of the game standing at your position or sitting in the dugout....hockey is contact, skating, etc....physicality...i dunno..i think it is a great spot for OTT

I like the Ottawa play. But it's just too much juice for any hockey game. Look at what the Caps did to the Canes tonight.

I'll probably take a shot at -1.5.

[FlyersFan]

Originally posted by Angelus
I like the Ottawa play. But it's just too much juice for any hockey game. Look at what the Caps did to the Canes tonight.

I'll probably take a shot at -1.5.

yeah, but that was with crap ass ward in net for CAR...i guess they wanted to get Gerber some rest with Florida and Tampa coming to town this weekend.......

oddsmakers know what NYR are up against....that is why this line is -240....if it was a normal middle of the season game where the rangers weren't in this spot, the line would be more like -150 to -170.....sometimes you have to lay the wood and say screw it..i'm on the right side and i'm laying the wood

but also Angelus, my point also was that not one person has even brought up the scheduling spot and i find it amazing...anyone who has played 1 shift of hockey knows how taxing it is.....go play 5I7 on the road, BB and 3I4 and let me know how it goes......how can you ignore this part of the handicap like everyone seems to be doing....just don't get it

[flmmkrz]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
yeah, but that was with crap ass ward in net for CAR...i guess they wanted to get Gerber some rest with Florida and Tampa coming to town this weekend.......

oddsmakers know what NYR are up against....that is why this line is -240....if it was a normal middle of the season game where the rangers weren't in this spot, the line would be more like -150 to -170.....sometimes you have to lay the wood and say screw it..i'm on the right side and i'm laying the wood

but also Angelus, my point also was that not one person has even brought up the scheduling spot and i find it amazing...anyone who has played 1 shift of hockey knows how taxing it is.....go play 5I7 on the road, BB and 3I4 and let me know how it goes......how can you ignore this part of the handicap like everyone seems to be doing....just don't get it

I grew up playing competitivly and consider sched a huge part in a lot of my plays now that im capping as I know how much it means but theres more to factor in than just sched. Say what you want but the sens are going with a goalie whose results are inflated due to a crazy deep defensive core and forwards that can win him games. At this stage, the sens have played only 1 less game in the same 7 day span and are down 2 guys who log in excess of 20 minutes a game. Sens have the presidents trophy to play for but are they really gonna roll meszaros and redden for 40 a game to make it happen and risk their injuries and risk the ultimate goal? By the same token, Rangers are fighting for a division title, sens have all that wrapped. I see the sens a fresher team no doubt but with the sens forced to roll minor leaguers in starting d time the result may be a lotta chances which should open this game up. With an open end to end game with sloppy defensive work I look for which goalie will bail his team out more, and I have to think that'll be the gold medalist, assuming he plays. Wouldn't surprise me to see the sens blow the rangers outta the water nor would it if the rangers squeaked one out I think its a tough one to cap as theres a lotta variables.

Just my thoughts

[FlyersFan]

Originally posted by flmmkrz
I grew up playing competitivly and consider sched a huge part in a lot of my plays now that im capping as I know how much it means but theres more to factor in than just sched. Say what you want but the sens are going with a goalie whose results are inflated due to a crazy deep defensive core and forwards that can win him games. At this stage, the sens have played only 1 less game in the same 7 day span and are down 2 guys who log in excess of 20 minutes a game. Sens have the presidents trophy to play for but are they really gonna roll meszaros and redden for 40 a game to make it happen and risk their injuries and risk the ultimate goal? By the same token, Rangers are fighting for a division title, sens have all that wrapped. I see the sens a fresher team no doubt but with the sens forced to roll minor leaguers in starting d time the result may be a lotta chances which should open this game up. With an open end to end game with sloppy defensive work I look for which goalie will bail his team out more, and I have to think that'll be the gold medalist, assuming he plays. Wouldn't surprise me to see the sens blow the rangers outta the water nor would it if the rangers squeaked one out I think its a tough one to cap as theres a lotta variables.

Just my thoughts

you are right, there is more to factor in.....first, OTT will be playing 4I7...BUT...not BB and only 2nd time since SAT.....and at HOME.....you also have to have legs to take advantage of the chances....and i am a die hard PHI fan....PHI had 5, not 2...5 of their 6 D out and they basically played with the PHI Phantoms D and they won 11 of 12 with nittymaki in net...who is average at best. Coaches are good...they will change the game plan to adjust for the missing people......and all those PHI games were on the road......(at least most).......OTT still has Redden to QB the PP and other guys will step up...that is the difference between the PHI and OTT of the world and the CHI of the world....depth....

[flmmkrz]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
you are right, there is more to factor in.....first, OTT will be playing 4I7...BUT...not BB and only 2nd time since SAT.....and at HOME.....you also have to have legs to take advantage of the chances....and i am a die hard PHI fan....PHI had 5, not 2...5 of their 6 D out and they basically played with the PHI Phantoms D and they won 11 of 12 with nittymaki in net...who is average at best. Coaches are good...they will change the game plan to adjust for the missing people......and all those PHI games were on the road......(at least most).......OTT still has Redden to QB the PP and other guys will step up...that is the difference between the PHI and OTT of the world and the CHI of the world....depth....

I would take Nittymaki in net over emery any day of the week. You also dont have to go over pieced together defensive corps as we've been dealing with it in van here for a while and playing with the ***** dmen most nights, so I feel your pain lol and know what the sens will be going thru. I definately think the sens can win this game but by the same token I think the rangers can as well. I cant say I share your confidence that ottawa can overcome the big losses on the back end with a days worth of practice on a newly divised game plan nor do I think the rangers will be so tired they cant make due on their chances but then it wouldnt surprise me to see the contrary either. As I said above just enough variables in this one to make it a tough cap for me. You raised some great points here tho all I wanted to do was explain why I leaned slightly towards the rangers and I hope I did somewhat (im pretty tired at this point lol), not sure which way it'll come out but I hope it comes out for you. GL buddy

[Angelus]

Good discussion guys.

I gotta admit, Jagr vs. Emery scares me a little....

[FlyersFan]

If everyone is under the impression that Emery is going to get lit up and the D for OTT sucks, then i would expect to see the Over played by most that feel that way, as i can't see the NYR D being too fresh either....i may add the 6 Over at 5D tomorrow, but i just hate playing side and total in a game...and i love OTT tomorrow more than the over. Who knows, maybe the NYR pull something out of their ass and win.....but it won't be a play i will think once about...let alone twice if it loses....GL!

[JohnnyMapleLeaf]

hmmm....don't like to see this....FF all over the Sens.

I woke up today, and almost shit myself when I saw the Rangers line. No way in hell should a good team like this be such a huge dog (+200!) against an Ottawa team missing 2 or their top 3 defencemen. Chara is their stud in critical situations and on the penalty kill, and Jagr is DEADLY on the PP. Rangers also have the advantage in net with Emery still not proving anything to me.

Yeah....the Rangers are in a bad part of their schedule, but these guys aren't exactly David Wells.

I'll be on the Rangers +1.5, and the Over.

[flmmkrz]

Just saw a press release that Reddens left the team for personal reasons which leaves Meszaros as their top dman with Chara and Phillips still out. Rangers are gonna be a go for me, albeit on a single unit play. Not sold that its a lock but more than enough value to play this given I was leaning prior this news.