NFL takes away MVP Award from Hines Ward......

[Horfin]

And they give the MVP to the Referees.



Horfin:thumbs:

[BaMan]

LMAO!!!

How is everything?? LiL Horfin come out into the world yet??

:yeah:

[Horfin]

Originally posted by BaMan
LMAO!!!

How is everything?? LiL Horfin come out into the world yet??

:yeah:

No baby yet. I am at work with my cell phone by my side.



Here are my problems with the game:

1. Ben's TD wasn't a TD.
2. D. Jackson's "push off" was a push off, but a push off is called on the offense once every 16 games (1 a week).
3. The holding call on Warrick's big return was bullshit.
4. The holding call on Jeremy Stephens catch on the 2 yard line was Bullshit.
5. The CHOP BLOCK penalty on Hasselback was Bullshit.
6. On Ben's rush for a first down at the end of the game, Hines Ward was HOLDING the CB - NO CALL
7. 7 Penalties for 70 yards against Seattle
8. 3 Penalties for 20 yards against Pittsburg
9. 1st Quarter 18 yard pass to D. Jackson (to Pittsburgh 23) called back on Offensive Holding result Seattle has to punt instead of in Feild Goal Range (with a first down).

Any Thoughts?

[R-DUB]

Yeah I have some thoughts. I no longer TRUST the officiating in most of the pro sports that I watch and wager on. There were some things that took place yesterday that were BEYOND COMPREHENSION. I knew that something wasnt right when they flagged Hasselbeck for trying to tackle the guy that intercepted his pass. WTF?:bang:

[ANGELZ]

Originally posted by Horfin
And they give the MVP to the Referees.



Horfin:thumbs: :thumbs:

[cavorca12]

I think the worst calls were the Hassellbeck tackle and a holding call. The tackle, WTF was that? I've never heard of any rule like that, and if that is a real rule, the rules committee needs to look at it. One of the holding calls (there were so many I can't really remember which one it was), it was on the right tackle for sure. It might have been the Stevens play. Anyway, I think those were horrible.

Two calls that I think went the right way were the Roethlisberger TD and the Jackson call. I am still pissed because I was on Seattle, and what I mean by this is that I am mad that NOT ONE call went Seattle's way. In a game that every break goes to Pitt, it would have been a travesty for them to lose. There was no way. The Jackson call was pretty blatant - right in front of the official - and no matter how hard he pushed, the extended arm is enough to get that call almost every time. The Roethlisberger TD had to have been a TD, because it was apparent on the replay that with his forward progess, the tip of the ball barely touched the white line. When he landed, the ball was behind the line, but on the replay, he clearly is pushed back on the tackle, therefore, the ball must have been pushed back as well, meaning, it broke the line. (This isn't very clear at all. I'm sorry - just kind of tired).

I could go on writing, but I'd be wasting my time I could be taking a nap, and everyone else's time they could be doing whatever they are doing. Thought's welcome.

GO SEATTLE! THE REAL CHAMPS!

[SL420]

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[Horfin]

SL420

Thanks for you valuable input. We are sure glad you are here. You are a very very very important member. Thanks for all that information you provided!

Just trying to get people's thoughts, not trying to get people to verbally attack others.

Horfin

[CuseFan10]

1- I thought the Jackson interference call was not necessarry, but it is the rule and it was directly in front of the official. I think it would have went a little smoother if the back judge got the flag out quicker but he double clutched it and couldn't get it out of his pocket. People think the flag was a result of the CB complaining (which it wasn't), and that makes it look even worse. Could have lived without it though for sure.

2- The Locklear "hold" was atrocious. Nothing else can be said. That was the biggest play of the game as the Seahawks would have had the ball at the 2 yard line, and one would think that the best RB in the league punches it in and they go up 17-14. On tha tplay too, I'm pretty sure they LB (Haggans I think?) was clearly offside and that's how he got by Locklear in the first place. No one brings that up really it seems.

3- The Hasselback call was laughable. He was clearly trying to tackle the defender turned offender, but he's a damn QB and can't tackle a snail so he threw his body at him hoping to "tackle" him that way.

4- The Warrick return nullified was questionable IMO, but not a huge deal. I could have lived without that aswell, but basically in the league now anytime there's good return (especially on punts), it's called back for something ridiculous anyway.

5- The Big Ben TD run you can't complain about. It wasn't conclusive either way and they ruled it a TD on the field in the first place so they have to stick with it. I wasn't sure if it cleared the line, but wasn't sure it didn't either. Between Bettis and R'Berger you have to assume they score there anyway since the ball can't get any closer to the end zone without being in it as it was.

[Horfin]

Thanks Cuse for some real input.

I agree on D.Jackson's call. It was a penalty, my beef is it is never really called.

I go back and forth on the Big Ben call. My problem with it was the line judge came running it with one hand raised (signifying 4th down) and then when he gets in ten yards he signals TD. I don't see how he is raising his hand indicating a spot outside the endzone and then calls it a TD.

It was like they second guessed themselves.


HOrfy

[CuseFan10]

Horfin - You are on the money that the official did raise his arm signifying the spot of the play and the nchanged it on his jog in towards the pile. Nice call, I forgot about that.

Also I'm a huge Titans fan here in NJ (go figure). I REALLY hope they don't draft Vince Young. I'd rather have Cutler, but McNair and Young are tight...

[SL420]

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[Horfin]

I actually broke even. I wanted Seattle, not the end of my life that they lost. As I said in the original post:

"Any Thoughts?"

[larry4498]

Originally posted by SL420
Horfin- Wow someone lost money on the Seahawks so they come up with 20 bullshit excuses to why they lost. Same old story. Get real.

Yeah your buddy got banned ( or is this baseballer) and you come in throwing shots at people! Brilliant! You sure are an asset to this place!:puke:

[CuseFan10]

His thing should say "War Damn Idiot"......

[Kevin]

Brutal.

Did anybody else see the betting ticket hanging out of the refs pocket ;)

[MajoringInMoney]

About the tackle from Hassleback, the rule is if you throw your body low on a blocker, then it is a penalty....if you throw your body in front of the person holding the ball, there is no penalty! One of the announcers said this flat out when it happened. My boss is the BIGGEST Pit fan ever so I was on their side but there were a few calls that could have definitely turned the game for a whole new story!

GLTA!!

[Blue Gums]

Originally posted by larry4498
Yeah your buddy got banned ( or is this baseballer) and you come in throwing shots at people! Brilliant! You sure are an asset to this place!:puke:


baseballer...u are correct Larry:thumbs:

[Blue Gums]

Any thoughts on the no catch right before the half when Jackson had 1 foot in bounds and the other kicked the pylon?


By rule that is a complete catch and should have been a TD. Not many talking about this one

[SL420]

Hey geniuses baseballers my room mate, yomonte banned him because he went 4-0. you guys are sherlock fucking holmes.

[Silver & Black]

H - here's my 2%, I personally think that there is no fix going on in pro football, calls like the ones that you've posted happen in every game, but not every game has the exposure that the SB has. The officials are human and make mistakes. The Human factor will always be second guessed.

As for the "FIX" the problem with football is that so many people BELIEVE that games ARE "FIXED" and the NFL already has it's hands full trying to prove that they're not.

The worst thing that could happen to pro sports is for the public to believe that games are "Fixed"...that's why the harsh punishment for Rose.

There is no way IMO that any NFL game can be fixed (minor college games maybe), but as long as there are sincere believers to the contrary, this issue will never end, and officials will always be second guessed.
:bitching:

As for you SL420 - please explain to me the mindset that would cause you to make over 300 post's to this message board and believe that OUR lives have been improved because of it. And now that you're gone, and you take the time to come back under another name, is it really worth your time to PROVE that you're an idiot when it's quite obvious that your real friends already know it? Now little boy, grab your lunch and shuffle off to school!! :roll:

[Ref]

Originally posted by SL420
Hey geniuses baseballers my room mate, yomonte banned him because he went 4-0. you guys are sherlock fucking holmes.



Here's the best call a ref has made in 3 days:


Number 420 has been ejected and has a received a lifetime ban!!!

[JB]

Originally posted by SL420
Hey geniuses baseballers my room mate, yomonte banned him because he went 4-0. you guys are sherlock fucking holmes.

LMAO.....

I guess that is a good thing. I don't have to worry about yomonte banning me.....I don't ever go 4-0!!!!!!!!!

[CuseFan10]

I didn't think Darrell Jackson's foot hit the pylon before landing out of bounds. It's really hard to see, but they replayed it on WFAN in NY here on "Mike and the Mad Dog" a few times and there was no definite evidence either way, IMO. Personally, I felt he was out of bounds before he hit the pylon.

I don't beleive in fixes in pro sports either. With salaries of players as ridiculously high as they are nowadays, you simply can't "fix" a player because it's not worth it for the player to risk losing so much guaranteed money (either through signing bonuses in football or guaranteed contracts in NBA and MLB). You have to exponentially elevate the players salary to make it owrht it for him to do it, and then you have to find somewhere to further exponentially elevate the "fix" to place your wager. Player minimum salaries are 300K approximately/averaged over the 3 big sports so you'd have to give the player millions to "fix" the game and then place bets significantly eclipsing that amount. It's not feasbile because there's no point for the player to do it, and nowhere to bet that amount of money in the first place.

As for refs, those guys made $50,000 a piece for that game so evenin that instance ALOT of money needs ot be put into play for something "fixable" to happen.

[Sporticus]

must disagree with # 4 in the 3rd post

I played OL in HS and coached it on the varsity level,


there is no HOOK or "reach around" technique that is allowed

that RT got beat off the edge

he hooked the man as he went by um and held on briefly


ILLEGAL

[HOMEDAWG]

Originally posted by CuseFan10

I don't beleive in fixes in pro sports either. With salaries of players as ridiculously high as they are nowadays, you simply can't "fix" a player because it's not worth it for the player to risk losing so much guaranteed money


Wake Up Cuse... No matter how much $$$ you have, it is never enough...
being a sportsbook's associate, most likely happens when there is a huge difference in the wagers$$$...
Then, you just go and get an influential individual in that particular event!
Depending on the amount of money the books are at risk could send them to anyone from a ref all the way up to a coach!
Why is it, on the games that the betting percentage is 80%+ on a side, the books win around 90% of the time???????


:beer2:

[sportsdaddy]

Jackson pushed off. Jacksons right foot was out of bounds. You can't grab someone by the shoulder pad. Big Ben was across in the air, and even if it was ruled the other way, they go for the inch and score on 4th, or maybe get a safety if they don't score. The refs didn't drop 3 or 4 stevens passes right on the hands. The ref didn't keep missing fg's. The refs didn't stop Seattle from not taking the lead when they had 3 or 4 chances from the end of the 3rd to the middle of the 4th. Both team had chances and didn't take advantage of those chances. Pitts D. just stepped up when it had to. Congrats to everyone on the Steelers. The real champs!!!!!! No Doubt!

[Sporticus]

the only time 2 people keep a secret is if 1 of them is dead


fixing a large game like that and keeping it quiet is impossible


the people are claiming that ALL the refs were in on it as well as the NFL bigwigs

that theory has no basis in reality

[vince31324]

cavorca12(quote):
GO SEAHAWKS!! THE REAL CHAMPS!!.. i didnt even look at your record. but if u you bet with real money. you probably should stop now if you think that. Seattle couldnt beat half the teams in the AFC. seattle IS soft. shit i could gather up a few guys from my town and we could run over the teams they played and put up 1800 yards rushing. just cause you lost a bet doesnt mean you should start bitching like you got F'ed over. if the colts couldnt beat the steelers how could the seahawks even touch em? THEY CANT EVEN KICK FG's!!! i love how no one mentions that fumble they didnt call that Ike caused either. only blaming it on the other team and not the seattles faults.. pittsburgh didnt bitch when we got robbed throughoff the whole playoffs... the refs did everything they possible could in the colts game to keep gettin the ball to the colts to give the poster boy peyton another chance to get in the big game. and the steeler D stepped up. seattle couldnt do that.. they lost of course... then cried about it. ref's 21 - seahawks 10... gimmie a break. watch the game closer and dont just repeat what the hot thing to do is and that is say they were cheated.

WE ARE THE PITTSBURGH STEELERS!!

[WHALEYDOG]

Seahawks are the real champ this year and everyone knows it except die hard steelers and those who bet on them.....they will never admitt it, but when they go to sleep they know who was the best "11" man football team....NO DOUBT...ANd as far as fixing goes...Sure it happens. The allmighty dollar controls all, just look at hockey. For me, I will just let it go and know in my heart that pitt was a big time charity case and the game will go down in history as the worst called Super Bowl of ALL TIME

[Horfin]

I am niave enough to believe that the NFL is not fixed.

This post was intended to let people vent and discuss.

Now that we have one side out of the way. This is the other side of the coin:

1. Brown missed a 50 yarder.
2. Brown missed a 54 yarder.
3. Jeremy Stevens dropped 5 passes.
4. Rouen's punting screwed Seattle:
1st Q: Bal on Sea 43---> Punt Touchback
1st Q: Ball on Sea 49---> Punt Touchback
2nd Q: Ball on Pitt 47--->Punt Touchback
2nd Q: Ball on Pit 47-----> Punt Touchback
4th Q: Ball on Sea 48-----> Punt Touchback
5. Darrell Jackson should learn how to run a route inside the white lines.
6. Holgren and Hassleback have to learn how to run a two minute offense.
7. Seattle Fucked themselves in the last 2 minutes of the 1st half
8. Seattle fucked themselves in the last 4 minutes of the game.
9. Sea should have kicked a FG with :30 seconds left and then gone for the on-side kick as Madden said "You'll just die trying from here." And they did.
10. The Defensive Ends of Seattle overplayed two important plays: 1---The Fleaflicker and 2--- the third down toward the end of the game when Rothlisberger took the ball to the left end.
11. If Hassleback didn't throw the damn INT on the 18 yard line then the penalty against him would not have happed. If that INT didn't happen then the Flea Flicker didn't happen. Instead of 21-10 it is 17-14 with Seattle on top.

If Seattle did not do soo much to kill their chances then the Refs would have really been on the hot seat. Seattle screwed themselves. There is so muich you could write on seattle messing up (allowing a 75 yard run; holding on all the big plays; etc.)

I recognize that Seattle screwed themselves. My problem with the whole game was everytime Seattle got a big play it was called back on a penalty. Everytime Pitt got a big play there was no penalty.

The superbowl for me is summed up asfollows:
1. 75 yard TD - No Penalty
2. Flea-Flicker TD - No Penalty
3. 3 Big plays for Seatlle - All had a Penalty

Just my thoughts.

Horfy

[gadfly36]

qoute "Seahawks are the real champ this year and everyone knows it except die hard steelers and those who bet on them.....they will never admitt it, but when they go to sleep they know who was the best "11" man football team....NO DOUBT...ANd as far as fixing goes...Sure it happens. The allmighty dollar controls all, just look at hockey. For me, I will just let it go and know in my heart that pitt was a big time charity case and the game will go down in history as the worst called Super Bowl of ALL TIME"


If the seahawks are the best team in football why did they lose the game? Good teams win even when the refs and the odds are against them. Roth did score and there was a pushoff in the endzone, those are the only calls that really need to be looked at. The others could have changed the game but those two would have changed it. So get over it and let it go.

[Kevin]

I didnt read through all this whole thing but I just have one thing to say.

When a respected member of the forum like Silver and Black unloads on a guy, it's time for that guy to go.

Thanks to the mod that booted the clown. That shit dont fly here.

[yomonte]

Originally posted by SL420
yomonte banned him because he went 4-0.

For the record and since I was not here to defend myself, I never read Baseballers thread for any other reason to see if he was talking to himself in his other name. I had a choice of banning one and leaving another and my decision was that since baseballer was banned at one time for begging posters here for money to pay his book on a bet he could'nt cover and did'nt have permission to come back, he was the one that had to go. Not both. I did'nt ban sl420 but should have. Now he disses me. Everybody has gone 4-0 and if JB ever gets a 4-0 he's gone. LMMMMMAO. But for the record, posting under two dif names gets both banned but I guess being nice did'nt fkn pay off. Next time, I'll send both packin'. I have seen this guy sl420 post atleast 3 times a week and using two names. Did he have a roomate, I doubt it, but with no proof, I let him stay. Thanx for nothing SL420 you bitch.

[I Bleed Black&Gold]

this is a little late to reply to this post but have been on my annual holiday in Mexico just have a few comments if anyone cares the NFL can be fixed 11 years ago jerry jones bought neil odonnel so we should be 6-0 not 5-1 i grew up in P.A. but have lived in the Seattle area twice they will never win they are losers just like payton & dungy we got our 1 for the thumb now we start working on our other hand and then our toes i enjoy this forum and want to thank Kevin for signing me up Horfy started a great thread and if you send me your address will send you a towel to cry in 2006 is over time to get ready for next year hope someone can give us a game i smell another dynasty Good Luck to everyone on all your Wagers D

[BoilerBacker]

Originally posted by I Bleed Black&Gold
this is a little late to reply to this post but have been on my annual holiday in Mexico just have a few comments if anyone cares the NFL can be fixed 11 years ago jerry jones bought neil odonnel so we should be 6-0 not 5-1 i grew up in P.A. but have lived in the Seattle area twice they will never win they are losers just like payton & dungy we got our 1 for the thumb now we start working on our other hand and then our toes i enjoy this forum and want to thank Kevin for signing me up Horfy started a great thread and if you send me your address will send you a towel to cry in 2006 is over time to get ready for next year hope someone can give us a game i smell another dynasty Good Luck to everyone on all your Wagers D

ever hear of punctuation??