Someone Please Explain to Me

[Silver & Black]

Every year, as the NFL season comes to an end, and the only thing that we're left with is Hoops, I'll ask this question. Why would anyone watch the NBA?

I can make a case for NCAABB, but the NBA is a joke...and for those of you that believe that Kobies 81 the other night is a GOOD thing, I"ll have to dissagree with you there.

I'm not looking to start an argument, just looking for opinions, and I'm actually hoping that someone will change my attitude. It's a long dry spell from the NFL to MLB. Thanks in advance
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[BaMan]

lol, I wish I could tell ya!!

I've been pissing away my time/$ on it!!:mad:

[DJTranks]

Answer: I don't watch it LOL- only NCAAB here!

[birdsfan5]

I dont watch it I just put money on it. I think you are right on about the NBA. I do watch NCAAB

[HawkPL]

Well, I watch the NBA because i bet on it. LOL In order to understand the product I'm trying to make money on, I watch the games, really that simple.

Do I enjoy it? Well, I enjoy watching teams compete, regardless of the sport, so ya, I enjoy it.

As far as Kobe scoring 81, what is it not good for? He single handedly brought his team back from a 16 point deficit.

Had it been a situation where they were up 30 points and he was trying to score as many points as possible...I can see the argument how it wasn't good. But in that situation, where he is willing his team to a win, I don't see whats wrong with it.

Now the NBA is of course going to make money off of his 81 points scored, making T-shirts with 81 on the front and Kobe on the back. I just wish they promoted Detroit and San Antonio, 2 VERY GOOD TEAMS, more than they do a single star. But that will never happen.

[Silver & Black]

Originally posted by HawkPL
As far as Kobe scoring 81, what is it not good for? He single handedly brought his team back from a 16 point deficit.

where he is willing his team to a win

Sorry HawkPL... You can't use the words Kobe and Team in the same sentance. I agree with you 100% that there should be more of a focus on TEAMS like Detroit and San Antonio, but as long as the Pimp David Stern is in charge, don't expect that to happen in the near future.
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[KC Chef Jeff]

NBA is unwatchable, agreed. Only will I watch it, as some above have already stated, if I have a bet on THAT game. I mean, it is unreal how tall those guys are, and how athletic they are, and then when they go to the bench they make 'em sit on a folding chair made for a person 5'9". LOL. It's the NBA players' lot in life I guess...

But yeah, it's a horrible sport to watch. Why anyone would pay more than $15 to go watch one in an arena is beyond me, let alone flip the channel to watch it. Now if I've got an under that's in threat of going over? I'm all over that channel!!

Is Kobe scoring 81 a bad thing? Hmm... I suppose in the sense that he had the trial thing with the woman in Colorado, then he has all this success, it sorta sends the wrong message to anyone that likes the NBA or the Lakers or Kobe. But ya gotta admit, it's a helluva an effort to score 81 friggin' points in a game.

Kobe scoring 81 is a good thing because it gets the info. out again about Wilt and how he dominated the NBA in his days. He scored 100 that one game, then he had other games of like 72, 67, something like that. The game that he scored 100, he was like 28-32 from the line. Not many 7-footers that shoot a FT like that in the history of the NBA.

So I haven't got anything for ya on how to get a positive optimistic attitude toward watching an NBA game, other than bet on one every 3rd day. :thumbs:

[BaMan]

slowly degrading.....not only in NBA but all sports.....players are worried about what they can do to get a raise or bonus, thus forcing to put "I" in TEAM....doesn't work out too well

def. not like it used to be:flush:

[DJTranks]

Some nice stuff KC!

[BaMan]

I agree KC!!

every 3rd day is the best way to go....too much of this NBA BS will drive anyone crazy

[DJTranks]

Originally posted by birdsfan5
I dont watch it I just put money on it. I think you are right on about the NBA. I do watch NCAAB

LOL Birds- Nice!

[HawkPL]

Sorry HawkPL... You can't use the words Kobe and Team in the same sentance.

Well, anyway you slice it, he does have 3 nba championship rings.

If he is selfish, okay, it worked 3 times to win a title, so I doubt anyone had a real problem with it then. lol

I don't know Kobe, so I have no idea what his incentives are about playing the game. I think he has an intense desire to win games, for personal reasons or because he loves the Lakers, I have no idea.

I do know he is the league MVP right now, if that team gets a 5 or 6 seed in the playoffs, wow. Thats all Kobe.

[Silver & Black]

So what I'm hearing is that no one really watches the NBA, but because there are wagering opportunities it's worth throwing a bone to every once in a while...

baman - I'll have to dissagree with you on the state of all sports.. there might be a focus on single players, but unlike the NBA they are not able to "blow off" their team like so many do in the NBA. When was the last time that one player took his team to the NBA finals? Never. Even Michael had a quality team behind him. Yet the focus in the NBA is on single players. If T.O. was in the NBA, he too would just be one of David Stern's little bitches!!

As for Ron Artest...he's just an idiot, and my hat goes off to the Pacers for doing something about it.
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[Silver & Black]

Originally posted by HawkPL
Well, anyway you slice it, he does have 3 nba championship rings.

If he is selfish, okay, it worked 3 times to win a title, so I doubt anyone had a real problem with it then. lol

Seems to me he had a 9 foot guy in the middle who might have helped a little, and I"m sorry....you don't give a league MVP to a player on a team that can't even post a .500 record in his own conference.

I'll agree to dissagree... you'll never be able to change my mind, and as a Laker fan (which it sounds like you are) I wouldn't expect anything less from you than standing up for your team, and I respect you for doing that.

Still haven't seen a reason to watch though!!
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[Horfin]

Originally posted by Silver & Black
Every year, as the NFL season comes to an end, and the only thing that we're left with is Hoops, I'll ask this question. Why would anyone watch the NBA?




I don't watch it. I haven't watched a single game all season. I just bet on it. It is a money making opportunity.

I may watch it if (1) I have money on the game; (2) nothing else is on; (3) my wife is asleep; (4) I have insomnia; and (5) marv albert is wearing girly underware.


Horfy

[AuZ]

I usually come on these boards to observe but felt i needed to speak for the younger to defend the NBA. As a college student I love watching the NBA. I know it is not for everyone but there are many reasons its better then college.

For one the athletes are much better then that of most college players. You get to see dunks and shots that college players simply cannot hit. I believe the overall games is better when the athletic abilty is higher. Also, college basketball has been watered down with all the great players going into the NBA. While I feel this does hurt both leagues it is just a fact that the best talent is in the NBA. To me college is becoming worse. I still do love watching both(Go Iowa) but give me two great NBA teams going at it then two great college teams anyday. College basketball to me is to watered down with slow non athletic players that really shouldnt be on the court.

[BaMan]

Originally posted by Horfin
I don't watch it. I haven't watched a single game all season. I just bet on it. It is a money making opportunity.

I may watch it if (1) I have money on the game; (2) nothing else is on; (3) my wife is asleep; (4) I have insomnia; and (5) marv albert is wearing girly underware.


Horfy

LMAO

[Silver & Black]

"H" - finally...someone who I can agree with... LMAO

Auz - I kind of agree with you...when two TEAMS are playing each other, the NBA might be watchable... The problem is that most of the NBA consists of individuels, not TEAMS!
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[HawkPL]

Seems to me he had a 9 foot guy in the middle who might have helped a little, and I"m sorry....you don't give a league MVP to a player on a team that can't even post a .500 record in his own conference.


I'm not a Lakers fan at all, I dont have a favorite team in any pro sport, besides the Bears in football. lol

Of course Shaq helped him get the titles, but it doesn't really matter if anyone calls him selfish, that "selfishness" helped the Lakers win 3 NBA titles. So who cares lol

And he is the League MVP right now, you don't watch the games like you said, so you probably wouldn't realize this. lol

The fact is, the Lakers are the #6 seed in the playoffs right now..MANY experts predicted the Lakers would not make the playoffs. It doesn't matter what his conference record is if he wills them into the playoffs.

[illmatic]

Oh god, Silver & Black, stop fcking crying you little girl.

No one is begging you to watch NBA, if you don't like it, do not watch it, stick with your NFL and MLB.

You're telling me MLB is more exciting to watch than NBA? Yeah ok, buddy.

You're one of those Kobe haters, and you know what, it's to the point where no matter what he does, little girls like you still aren't satisfied.

You said you're not looking for arguments, but stupid comments deserve arguments, not opinions.

Why was Kobe's 81 a bad thing? Seeing as how you don't WATCH NBA, you probably didn't even see the game.

It's in the 3rd quarter, 10 minutes left, and Lakes are down by 18. The only player remotely making a difference for the Lakers is Kobe. He singlehandedly brings them back from a 18 point deficit, and Lakers end up winning by 18.

You don't think that's exciting? You don't think that's amazing? Then stick with NCAAB, and don't post Threads about how the NBA just doesn't tickle your fancy.

Forget the Laker game, the Seattle/Phoenix game, 152-149 final score, highest scoring game in 11 years, still no excitement for you? Take the Minnesota/Philidelphia game, they were down the whole game by 15 or more, and Andre Iguodala makes an amazing game-winning shot,,,lemme guess, still does nothing for you?

Then, my argument to you would be nothing makes you excited. Maybe you're just a little sexually frustrated or something where you're just in the mood to bitch and moan about stuff.

Chances are, you won't even read a word I have said in my post and will just come back to attack me and say "Illmatic you're an idiot, blahalbhlbah" instead of being like, yeah you bring up a good point.

No hard feelings, ya?

[Silver & Black]

illmatic - first I'll address the original question that I asked. I asked it because after playing baseball and football in high school and college, I have an appreciation for those two sports...I don't really have an appreciation for the NBA that's why I'm requesting opinions.

second - I've just reread my posts, and I really don't see where I've blasted Kobe as a player, just that I wouldn't give a league MVP to a player on a #6 seed (maybe) playoff team. The same can be said of Iverson over the last few years

third - as for your examples of games with exciting finishes...OK, for those games you bring up some great points, but even you have to admit...those games are few and far between.

forth - With NCAABB, the kids are playing almost every game like it's their last one. Some of these guys know that a game that has been a part of their lives for ALL of their lives is almost over. You can see it on their faces, and from the crowd. Sorry, that same fire...I don't see in the NBA

and finally - I hope that you're proud of your verbal attack on me, but I won't bring my self down to your level with a response.

GO LAKERS!!
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[illmatic]

Nope, I'm not proud of attacking you, I'm just ticked off by all this anti-Kobe shit.

If Lakers get the 6th spot for the Playoffs, Kobe will win MVP.

If they finished 7th or 8th it's very debatable, but likely not.

You can't compare what Kobe has done this year to what Iverson has been doing.

Jordan got the MVP when his team finished 5th or 6th seed, because of the amazing year he had, I believe Defensive Player of the Year, 35.0 PPG, scoring title, etc.

Kobe is having that kind of year, so it's not wrong to assume he has a chance to win the MVP.

Like I said, no hard feelings.......

oh, and.... GO LAKERS!!!!!!

[larry4498]

Illmatic- Your verbal attacks toward Silver & Black were uncalled for. I realize you have a strong opinion pro Kobe but calling someone a little girl and insinuating they are sexually frustrated is not the way to reply. Arguments are made from stating facts and opinions, not name calling.


Silver & Black - If you were a Pistons fan(as I am) you would very much enjoy watching the NBA!!!!! At least when they're on.

And as far as Kobe as MVP. I think that an MVP has to be more than just the best scorer. And one of those ways is he has to make everyone on his team better. And I just don't see how Kobe makes anyone else on his team better. He is the best scorer and he might be the most talented but I think there are other guys out there that are more valuable to their teams.

[JohnnyMapleLeaf]

The NBA is definitely a distant 4th of the four major sports in my books.
Why does it seem like 3/4 of the teams in the NBA are terrible??

NFL/CFL is great....love the NHL....and can't wait until MLB! :thumbs:

[illmatic]

my apologies, my response was uncalled for.

Kobe does in fact make his teammates better, they all play better when he's on the court. There's proof and statistics to prove it, I'll try and find the article for you.


The last game against the raptors, at one point they were shooting 10/32, while kobe was shooting 10/18

31 percent compared to kobe's 55% at the time, who would you prefer shooting the ball?

There's only so much you can do when you're Kobe to make your team better, if they're not making the ball, what do you want him to do? I mean come on, let's be realistic, if they're not putting in the effort Kobe is, there's nothing to be done.

Do you understand how much Kobe practiced over the Summer and even now? Why is it his fault his teammates do not put that much time into their practice regimes to be as good as Kobe.

Kobe should be MVP, not Chauncey, not Nash, MAYBE Dirk, that's the only other person that I can see winning it. Although he's a huge Kobe hater, that guy is a stud, and know's how to play Basketball.

[EMV01]

Wait Dirk over Chauncey no way. Kobe over Chauncey I can understand but not Dirk. The guy needs to learn how to play D. Chauncey has all around game Offense driving or shooting the three like he did last night on a 6-7 stretch from 3 point land in the 3rd, he can play D, his assists are way up this year, and he hardly ever turns the ball over and shootss 90% + from the free throw line. Not to mention he is prolly the second best clutch shooter in the game behind Kobe right now. Who knows he could be better in the clutch in the 4th Qtr hard to know though since the Pistons win without trouble most nights.

[Silver & Black]

larry - you might have just hit the nail on the head..I live in SoCal, and because of that my news is littered with nothing but the Lakers, I'll admit that Kobe is a quality player, but IMO a "TEAM" MVP and a "LEAGUE" MVP are two different things. As for the Pistons....Hamilton, Billups, Prince and the Wallace's...I could see myself as a Piston fan...

illmatic - since you seem to know quite a bit about Kobe...just curious, why do you believe that there are so many anti-Kobe comments made?
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[AuZ]

Illimatic I agree with you that Kobe is simply the best player in the NBA. We should just enjoy the prformances hes is putting in night in and night out. I am not a laker, actually far from it but Kobe is simply the best player in the world right now. I would say he just near Jordan equal and I love jordan .If Jordan scored 81 we would have celebrations for him but when Kobe does it he get called selfish. If you have that much ability he should be taking the majority of the laker shots. It is fun to watch him play pure and simple. As for mvp, the awards are overated in pro sports. Who cares if someone else wins mvp we know any team would choose kobe over any other player.

If you dont like the NBA then just dont watch. But dont say that call players selfish ball hogs.

[larry4498]

That's just it, Jordan made everyone on his team better(Pippen, Kerr, Hodges, etc.). Jordan also won 6 titles without a center. When and IF Kobe wins titles on without Shaq, then and only then can we put him up there with Jordan. And I'm a Pistons fan I hate Michael Jordan. LOL!

[AuZ]

Kobe should win more titles by the time he is done. But comparing by championchips is not completly fair. You have to look at numbers and abilty .Kobe has no pippen and he has chris mihm and the usless Kwame Brown as his frontcourt. The supporting cast around Jordan really played as a team much like the pistons. The bulls are my favorite team and I enjoyed every mintue of there run. You cant say blame a player for a GM job .Take the Pistons, they are the best team we have seen in years, one of the funniest teams to watch. I can see them winning two or three more champonchips if they keep that core group of player together. But not one player on that team is better the Kobe. Im not saying he is better then jordan because he scores more but he defiantly deserves to be mentioned in the same category.

[Horfin]

Originally posted by illmatic
my apologies, my response was uncalled for.




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[HawkPL]

Kobe's the League MVP right now.

If you put Kobe on the Pistons, would the Pistons be worse because Kobe can't make his teammates better??? I highly doubt it.

The whole concept of a player making others better can be skewed.

Kobe hasn't won a title without Shaq, but Shaq hasn't won one without Kobe either. Shaq went to a situation with another star player in Dwayne Wade....Kobe has no other star on this team.

Most quality NBA teams that have won a title has had 2 "star" players and a good supporting casts....your Bill Laimbeers and Vinny Johnsons and Michael Coopers and Dennis Rodmans....etc. etc.

Look at Magic's Lakers...he had Kareem.

Jordan had Pippen. Bird had Mchale and Parrish... etc. etc.

No team will ever win an NBA title with 1 great player and a bunch of pudwacks, like the Lakers have now. I think, and I'm not a Kobe fan or a Laker fan, but if Kobe gets this team even into the freakin playoffs, it would be nothing short of a miracle.

[Silver & Black]

HawkPL - three quick questions....1) Why do you think that there is a hatred towards Kobe (and don't tell me jealousy)? 2) Why wouldn't another superstar want to play on the same team with Kobe (I'm only asking this because the hatred for him seems to be from other NBA players also)? 3) How close are you to Cedar Rapids. I'm thinking about selling my house in SOCAL and relocating to Hawkeye country!!
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[larry4498]

If you put Kobe on the Pistons, would the Pistons be worse because Kobe can't make his teammates better??? I highly doubt it.



I answer this question with a yes. Anyone with a shoot first mentally is not gonna make Detroit better.


And Jordan made Pippen, and Isiah made Laimbeer, and Magic made everyone he ever played with better. Kobe imo does not do that.

[Q-Unit]

Originally posted by larry4498

And as far as Kobe as MVP. I think that an MVP has to be more than just the best scorer. And one of those ways is he has to make everyone on his team better. And I just don't see how Kobe makes anyone else on his team better. He is the best scorer and he might be the most talented but I think there are other guys out there that are more valuable to their teams.

I'm sure everyones already heard this, but half the uphill battle for Kobe scoring that 81 is that his team ALLOWED it to happened...from day one of this season, maybe starting from last year when the Lakers struggled...they just sit around and wait for him to do something...all that losing, suckiness, and frustration from everyone eventually culminated in this point outburst....Lamar Odom's comment says it all, "It's like God put Kobe on earth so we can watch him play." (something along those lines, I dont have the exact words in mind).

Granted I am still amazed by it, I am very impressed, but I'm not gonna say its good for the game or bad...I think both!...there is always gonna be two extremes to any concept..if everyone played team ball the way Detroit and San Antonio does, the NBA would sink in ratings, cuz as much as I like that (I'm a spurs fan), you have to admit its a bit boring, when you don't have that exciting superstar. Ginobili adequately makes the Spurs exciting, other than that, its snoozefest...unless they are playing another team that runs...it was utter boredom watchin the finals last year, but the Suns Spurs series was exciting.

[HawkPL]

HawkPL - three quick questions....1) Why do you think that there is a hatred towards Kobe (and don't tell me jealousy)? 2) Why wouldn't another superstar want to play on the same team with Kobe (I'm only asking this because the hatred for him seems to be from other NBA players also)? 3) How close are you to Cedar Rapids. I'm thinking about selling my house in SOCAL and relocating to Hawkeye country!!


1- I don't know why there is a hatred towards Kobe except for the things that are documented. They say he is a private person and whatnot, the whole thing with Shaq, the Colorado incident...he has 3 rings and is a very good player... plenty of reasons for fans to hate him I guess. Just for the record, I don't hate him...or really like him for that matter...I just think he's a good player.

2-I have no clue if no other stars want to play with him...usually "superstars" don't enjoy playing with each other, they all want the limelight and credit and want to score. lol There usually isn't very many NBA teams with 2 "superstars."

3-I'm not close to Cedar Rapids right now. I did go to U of Iowa in Iowa City which is half hour or so from Cedar Rapids.

[HawkPL]

Just for the record..... Stephen A. Smith said he sat down with Allen Iverson... and AI said Kobe is the MVP hands down, if he didn't win it it would be a travesty.

If AI, who is having maybe the best year of his career, is saying that.... well, I'll take his word for it more than mine, thats for sure. lol

[larry4498]

If you watched the Piston game last night, you can see why Chauncy is being mentioned for MVP. There is a reason they call him "MR BIG SHOT". In a game where the score flip flopped back and forth all night, Chauncy hits back 2 back 3's(the first on a 1-3 fast break the 2nd he got fouled and still hit the shot) with less than 90 secs left and all of the sudden Detroit is up 7. Game Over!! The best part of his game is that he spent the first half trying to get everyone involved, only took 5-6 shots himself. The second half he realizes that 'sheed and rip ain't on ther "A" game so he just takes over in the 2nd half. Ends with 34 pts. True team player, excellent passer, excellent scorer, excellent LEADER!!

My MVP vote would be like this

1. Chaucey Billups
2. Steve Nash
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Dirk Nowitzki

Of course I'm a Pistons fan so you wouldn't expect anything less, would you?

[Underdog88]

I agree with Larry-an MVP should be someone who makes his team better as a whole. No question Kobe is the best player in the NBA, IMO no one can take over a game the way he does. I don't expect anyone else but Kobe to get the MVP, but Chauncey most definitely deserves consideration for it. As far as watching hoops, IMO it is not the same sport I grew up loving as a kid,. Watching in the late 80's/ early 90's was the best to me,(what other time period had so many legends still playing) but I still enjoy watching the game. Teams like the Pistons remind me of why I originally started watching NBA & playing ball, & I can't give up on the game yet. I do think there should be more of a focus on team ball-not what Kobe, LeBron & Iverson put up last night. No team will ever win a ring with one star player-it is a team sport. IMO superstar players are needed to generate buzz in sports, but, the over marketing of these players end up damaging the sport as a whole. As far as the NCAA being better to watch, I would say that is true in most cases-they may not have as much talent, but watching a team play with pride,teamwork & heart for the full game is much more enjoyable to watch for me than a reverse 360 dunk when you are down by 16:thumbs:

[EMV01]

Larry I agree with you if the Pistons had Kobe there is no way they would be 36-5. He is a great player but just wouldnt fit in to the team concept that works so well for the Pistons. Unfortunately Larry not everyone lives where we do and can't see what Chauncey does night in and night out he was just sick last night in the last 2 minutes, not to mentions Ben's swat that started the whole thing. DONG DONG

[HawkPL]

There is a reason they call him "MR BIG SHOT". In a game where the score flip flopped back and forth all night, Chauncy hits back 2 back 3's(the first on a 1-3 fast break the 2nd he got fouled and still hit the shot) with less than 90 secs left and all of the sudden Detroit is up 7. Game Over!!

Chauncey is really good, no doubt. serious MVP candidate.


I just don't see why Chauncey leading his team back to victory hitting big shots is so much better than Kobe doing the same thing... like he did against Toronto.

Take Chauncey off the Pistons.... could they still compete in the Eastern Conference??

Take Kobe off of the Lakers.... anyway they compete in the western conference???

[EMV01]

I'll compromise with everyone and I'm sure Larry will agree, let Kobe have the League MVP, and Chauncey can take ANOTHER finals MVP and we can call it a day. :cheers: